One Strange Scene

As the final clock winds down to Avengers: Endgame, I want to make a last-minute prediction or two on this blog. I don't even know if they're so much predictions for Endgame as much as predictions for the future of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. That's because I originally assumed them to be predictions for last year's Avengers: Infinity War, and they ended up never factoring into that movie.

My predictions all center around the scene in Thor: Ragnarok where Thor meets Doctor Strange in New York. The setup for this scene is that Thor just exposed his brother Loki as an imposter who's been posing as their father Odin on Asgard for the last four years, and now he's forcing Loki to bring him to the real Odin on Earth. They can't find him in New York, the place where Loki imprisoned him, and then Doctor Strange shows up and takes them to his Sanctum to question what they're doing on Earth. After some comical banter and slapstick, he sends them to Odin in Norway.

I've had a complicated relationship with Ragnarok ever since it came out, but the one aspect of it that I've actually argued about is this scene. Forget about the Avengers crossovers just for a second; in the context of the single movie Thor: Ragnarok, this scene is completely pointless. It brings the pacing to a halt, nothing that Thor and Doctor Strange talk about comes into play later in the plot, and including Doctor Strange in this story at all just raises questions about why he didn't help to fight the villain when she first showed up on Earth. You could easily rewrite the script to just have Loki know where Odin is and take Thor straight to Norway himself.

What's more, Strange doesn't cross paths with Thor or Loki in Infinity War, so this scene doesn't even work as a setup for future MCU films.

At least not yet.

Strange was one of the characters who died from Thanos snapping his fingers at the end of Infinity War. Since the majority of Endgame's plot will most likely center around the Avengers trying to undo that snap, I suspect that Strange will make a comeback somewhere in the second half of the film. It's also been speculated that Loki, who appeared to die in a more traditional way in Infinity War, will also come back. Perhaps the scene in Ragnarok was a means of introducing him and Thor to Strange in order to set up a two- or three-man teamup between them in Endgame.

Loki and Strange working together especially would be interesting, since having Loki use his powers for good in alliance with someone who once dismissed him as a threat for having them would show all the more how much he's come full circle. In turn, it could show growth on Strange's part by having him acknowledge that a fellow magic user he once dismissed from Earth can have some use if enough need arises for it. Strange's mastery of the Time Stone could also come into play and turn out to be the force behind some of the bizarre circumstances of Loki's (again, we'll say "alleged") death in Infinity War.

If that doesn't happen in Endgame, then there could still be a chance of something along those lines occurring in Phase Four of the MCU. Tom Hiddleston's contract with Marvel Studios is expiring after Endgame, but Chris Hemsworth has said on multiple occasions that he'd be interested in reprising his role as Thor afterwards if possible. Maybe this is a well-disguised spoiler being leaked about Thor's status at the end of Endgame, or maybe it isn't. What we do know is that a Doctor Strange sequel is in the works for Phase Four, so if Hemsworth does end up coming back for that phase, there's a real chance that we might get a Strange-Thor team up after all.

That would make a lot of sense, since their predecessors Odin and the Ancient One who once oversaw the universe have effectively passed on from it. I feel like Thor meeting Doctor Strange in Ragnarok is so beside the point for that movie that it HAS to serve as a setup for something bigger, maybe as a preview of how the future Allfather and Ancient One will interact when protecting the universe post-Endgame.

It's hard to say how far ahead Marvel Studios plans their MCU movies anymore. Given their history with the Infinity Saga though, I'm willing to believe that they have enough foresight to plant seeds five or six movies in advance.

Or maybe that scene in Ragnarok was just an excuse to put more pratfalls in the movie and the studio's still looking for a sequel where they can shoehorn in justification for it. Neither one would surprise me.

Loki of Jotunheim

While we're still on the subject of Loki's (we'll say "alleged") death in Avengers: Infinity War, there's one particular aspect of it that I think is worth discussing. It's actually a major aspect of his overall depiction in the MCU that a lot of fans would like to see the movies address again. I'm talking about Loki's Frost Giant appearance.

As established in the first Thor film, Loki isn't Thor's biological brother, but an adoptive brother who was born as a Frost Giant in the realm of Jotunheim. This means that in his natural form, he has blue skin and red eyes. Coincidentally, his supposed death scene in Infinity War was lit heavily with blue light and Thanos strangling him left Loki with bloodshot eyes. This led many viewers to wonder if the shape-shifting God of Mischief had reverted back into his Frost Giant form because the spell disguising him as an Asgardian wore off as he died.

It's understood now that this wasn't the case, but it does leave us wondering more than ever about the nature of Loki's dual appearance and where it fits into the MCU.

The first Thor is the only film to ever show Loki as a Frost Giant, and the first full reveal of it is a huge moment in that story. What's more, Thor never sees him in that form at any point in the film. Fans have been itching to see Frost Giant Loki again ever since, and who can blame them? It would be a great dramatic peak for Thor and Loki's relationship to have the God of Thunder finally see what his brother really looks like, and it would make Loki's arc feel more complete too since seeing himself in that form the first time was what made him fall from grace.

Some viewers have even cited his remaining in Asgardian form after death as proof that he didn't really die. Others just find it frustrating, sometimes to the point that they wonder if the screenwriters have forgotten about Loki's Frost Giant origins. I'm no expert, but based on what I've seen in the MCU so far, here's my take on everything.

For starters, the screenwriters haven't forgotten about Loki's origins. He introduces himself at one point in both Thor: The Dark World and Infinity War as someone from Jotunheim, and not only does Thor: Ragnarok show his real father Laufey depicted in a ceiling mural, but it also shows a stage play about Loki where a child actor covered head-to-toe in blue paint portrays him as a baby. I'll even offer that maybe Infinity War gave Loki blue lighting and bloodshot eyes for his presumed death as a subtle nod to the fact that he's a Frost Giant.

As for him not turning back into a Frost Giant when he dies, I don't think it's that simple. The only times we see him turn back into one in Thor is whenever he touches another Frost Giant or the Casket of Ancient Winters, and even then the transformation is brief. We also get a flashback where his adoptive father Odin finds him as a baby on Jotunheim and then Loki changes into an Asgardian. Frost Giants don't seem to have any appearance-altering powers, and we learn in The Dark World that Loki received his illusion powers from Odin's wife Frigga later in life. Because of this, we can assume that Odin was the one who originally transformed him into an Asgardian.

And I think that word is the key here: "transformed." I don't think Odin cast a mere disguise over Loki; I think he actually altered Loki's physicality, much like he transformed Thor from an Asgardian into a human while banishing him to Earth in the first film. Loki's Asgardian appearance was a deep-rooted, mostly permanent change that became his default form once it was cast, and Odin was the one who cast it. If Odin's death in Ragnarok didn't make Loki automatically turn back into a Frost Giant, then Loki's death probably wouldn't make that happen either.

Whether or not Loki's still alive, there are plenty of ways that the MCU can show him as a Frost Giant again. I personally like the thought of Thanos using the Reality Stone to taunt Thor with various illusions of his little brother, including one of Loki in his original form. The question is just whether or not the MCU will bother to show that side of Loki again. The character's last appearance will be in Avengers 4, however large or small his role will be, and since that film will most likely have a ton of more important storylines to juggle, it might just decide to close the books on Loki even faster than Infinity War did. He did resolve everything that he needed to in that film, after all.

I'll still hope for Frost Giant Loki to make a final cameo in Avengers 4, just because the films do keep reminding us of his origins, but as a Loki fan, I'm pretty sure he'll always leave us wanting more no matter what the MCU does with him.